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21:44Now PlayingIn a moment that stopped many people in their tracks, 12-year-old Eve Franke made a statement to lawmakers about the abuse she and her brother Russell endured — and about the law she believes could have saved them. In her statement, Eve described something heartbreaking: police and child welfare workers repeatedly knocking on the door of the home where she was being abused… but never being able to enter. Help was outside the door — but the law couldn’t get them inside. In this episode of Hidden True Crime, we revisit the Franke case and the events that led to the arrest of Ruby Franke and Jodi Hildebrandt. We also examine the legislation now being debated in Utah — a bill supporters say could prevent other children from suffering in silence. You will hear the powerful statements from Russell and Eve Franke themselves, including the chilling moment when Eve describes the danger she believes she and her brother faced and calls the adults responsible “psychopaths.” Their words are difficult to hear — but they raise an important question: how could authorities knock on a door for months and still not be allowed inside to check on a child?
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This episode explores the story behind that legal gap, the bill now being debated by lawmakers, and why the voices of survivors like Eve and Russell may shape how child welfare laws change in the future.
Because sometimes justice isn’t just about what happens in a courtroom — it’s about making sure the system protects the next child who needs help.
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