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What if There’s No Way to Stop Trump’s Approach to Power? | Interesting Times with Ross Douthat

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President Trump may forever reshape the boundaries of executive power. This week on “Interesting Times,” Ross Douthat and Jack Goldsmith, who was the head of the White House’s Office of Legal Counsel under President George W. Bush, discuss which cases are most likely to win in the courts and permanently expand the executive branch — for better or worse.

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This episode of “Interesting Times” was produced by Sophia Alvarez Boyd, Elisa Gutierrez, Andrea Betanzos and Katherine Sullivan. It was edited by Alison Bruzek and Jordana Hochman. Engineering by Pat McCusker. Cinematography by Marina King. Video editing by Jan Kobal and Dani Dillon. Original music by Isaac Jones, Pat McCusker and Aman Sahota. Fact-checking by Kate Sinclair, Michelle Harris and Mary Marge Locker. Audience strategy by Shannon Busta. Directed by Jonah M. Kessel. The director of Opinion Audio is Annie-Rose Strasser.

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