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3:34Now PlayingThis powerful excerpt from our conversation with Karen Hagar is a provocation to think differently. (How unusual for the Pandas!) Karen tells us how her work in archeology and with the indigenous peoples of Arizona informs her forecasting on topics such as climate change. Carmen accuses the national security and intelligence communities of inhabiting a cognitive ghetto where planes, ships, and wars define the landscape. Julia wonders whether Carmen will ever actually say what she really thinks.
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