Pope Leo XIV Is Becoming Trump’s Worst Nightmare | History Of The Present w/ Christopher Hale

Donald Trump has attacked politicians, prosecutors, judges, journalists, and institutions. But Pope Leo XIV may be different. Brian Daitzman speaks with Christopher Hale, publisher of Letters from Leo, about why the first U.S.-born pope is breaking through with secular Americans, why Trump’s attacks on the Pope reveal something deeper about MAGA’s hunger for power, and how Catholic social teaching challenges the cruelty, corruption, war-making, and authoritarianism of this moment.

They also discuss J.D. Vance, the “King David” myth around Trump, wealth and salvation, the Epstein class, money in Congress, and why Democrats may need a bigger moral language to defeat MAGA.

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