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How Trump Lost Control of the Epstein Narrative
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28:36Now PlayingFor the past two weeks, President Trump has been trying and failing to get his supporters to stop talking about Jeffrey Epstein.
David Enrich, a deputy investigations editor for The New York Times, and Shawn McCreesh, a Times White House correspondent, explain why MAGA won’t let go of this scandal, how the president misread his own base — and what all this shows about the limits of Mr. Trump’s power.
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