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The Most Toxic Relationship in Washington
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30:41Now PlayingDuring an Oval Office meeting with congressional Republicans a few days ago, President Trump showed off the draft of a letter that would fire Jerome H. Powell, the chair of the Federal Reserve.
It’s the latest chapter in a dysfunctional relationship that has major implications for the global economy.
GuestColby Smith () , who covers the Federal Reserve and the U.S. economy for The Times.
Background reading:
• President Trump waved a copy of a draft letter firing Jerome H. Powell () at a meeting in the Oval Office with House Republicans.
• Can Trump fire Powell? It’s likely that he lacks a case () , legal experts say.
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