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Pantheist is DESPERATE to Avoid Explaining How He Got to His Beliefs | Justin DZ & Seth Andrews
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Roger, a pantheist from Canada, calls in to discuss his belief that we are eternal consciousness and that God is everything. What follows is a masterclass in how not to answer a simple question. Despite hosts Justin and Seth repeatedly asking what evidence or logical arguments support pantheism being true, Roger circles endlessly through definitions, references to "the monad," discussions about Donald Hoffman's theories on perception, and explanations of what pantheism means rather than why it's true. The frustration builds as Justin tries multiple approaches including a "Mad Libs" format asking Roger to complete "Pantheism is true because of ___." Technical difficulties compound the communication breakdown. After roughly ten minutes of Roger attempting to explain the "pan nature" of his belief while refusing to provide actual evidence, Justin politely but firmly ends the call, suggesting Roger write down his arguments and call back when prepared. Seth likens the experience to talking to a random word generator, noting that despite all the discussion, Roger's version of pantheism was never actually coherently defined.
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