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Ash from North Carolina calls in after a winding religious journey — raised Catholic, turned atheist, then returned to church out of trust in their parents. Now consumed by fear of hell and unsure if they've sinned, Ash admits their belief is "fake it till you make it." Hosts Matt and Brady walk Ash through why feelings and social conformity aren't evidence of God, why every religion produces the same experiences attributed to different deities, and why "my parents wouldn't lie to me" isn't a standard of truth. The conversation reaches its peak when Ash can't name a single miracle — and can't name anything that isn't one either. A genuinely moving call with a caller who's honest enough to keep conceding ground.
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