DOJ Hopes To Trick Trump Ally Into Testifying Against Him

The Department of Justice is reportedly mulling whether to offer immunity to Trump ally Kash Patel in exchange for his complete cooperation in the ongoing document investigation. Patel is the one who claims that he personally saw Trump declassify the documents that were stashed at Mar-a-Lago, and no one else has been able to back up these claims. But there's more to an immunity deal than most people are considering, as Farron Cousins explains.

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According to multiple different reports out yesterday, the United States Department of Justice is considering offering immunity to Kash Patel, one of Donald Trump's closest friends and allies, and of course, someone who served with him as actually a liaison to the National Archives while Donald Trump was an office, and I'm sure you know the name K Patel, because he is the man who claims that he witnessed Donald Trump stand over those documents and say, I declare you declassified. And he is apparently the only person on the planet who actually saw and heard that happen. So the doj obviously they're investigating this, they're like, Hey, we, we, we wanna hear from you, man. If you can prove that Donald Trump declassified these documents, we would love to hear it. That would save us a lot of trouble of having to indict him later on. So you could save your former boss. All you gotta do is come talk to us. And in the middle of last month in October, he did go and talk to the DOJ where he proceeded to plead the Fifth Amendment multiple different times. And now the DOJ still wanting more information from him is, as I said, considering offering him an immunity deal. You come testify, do not plead the fifth at all. You've gotta give us the real information. And in exchange, we are not going to prosecute you.

Interesting. Offer even more interesting considering the, you know, motivations for this. Not just that, hey, we want to hear from you, so we'll give you immunity. But the fact that immunity could even be offered in order for the Department of Justice to offer immunity, which is not something the DOJ itself usually does. We see it in investigations all over the country all the time. But the DOJ itself typically doesn't like to do immunity deals else, but they're desperate to get information on Donald Trump. That's a given. But the immunity itself. Immunity from what? Right? Immunity from prosecution for what that is the big question mark with this story that after reading multiple different sources, I've been unable to find, so I've come up with a few theories of my own one. We do know that several people, including the former White House, uh, valet Walt Nata, may have lied to investigators when they spoke to them last month. So there is a possibility that in spite of the fact that he repeatedly pleaded the Fifth Amendment, he did answer some questions. So perhaps the DOJ believes that Kash Patel did in fact lie to them, which, you know, they could prosecute as either obstruction or perjury depending on whether or not he was

Under, under oath when he testified to them. So that could be what the immunity is about. Like, Hey, haha, we got you in a lie, now you gotta come with us, or you can play ball and we won't prosecute you for this. Now, to be perfectly honest with you, that doesn't seem the most likely answer. That's low hanging fruit. Low hanging fruit, that even the DOJ knows that even if they secured a prosecution for that, let alone an indictment, um, he's probably not gonna get in much trouble. So that's not a big threat, right? If they, if you come at him and you say, Ah, we're gonna get you for, for obstruction here, he's gonna be like, Do it. What are you gonna, what are you gonna do? First and foremost, the jury's gonna be unlikely to convict on that. Secondly, even if they do convict, I don't have a record, I'm not gonna be sentenced to prison.

So bring it on. And it's such an expensive prosecution for the DOJ with no reward whatsoever that I don't think they would go that route. So the more likely explanation, I believe, is that the DOJ does in fact have some dirt on Patel that could indicate that not only is he lying about Trump declassifying the documents, but that he was directly involved, involved in taking them. As I said, he was Donald Trump's liaison to the National Archives. The National Archives is the group that had been mult, uh, uh, multiple times requesting to get these documents back.