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What begins as a thoughtful discussion about leaving Christianity becomes a disturbing exploration of divine command theory. Jasmine, a Buddhist from Canada, asks hosts Justin and Seth about their evangelical backgrounds. The hosts share powerful stories about indoctrination and deconversion. But when they explore Jasmine's moral framework, the conversation takes an alarming turn. Justin presents the "yeet a baby off a cliff" hypothetical—if God commanded it, would it be right? Jasmine says yes. When escalated to an entire orphanage, then making dead babies into meat patties, she continues agreeing. Most disturbingly, when Seth asks if she'd kill her own child if God commanded it, Jasmine pauses significantly before giving equivocal answers. The hosts are visibly shaken, with Seth pleading with her to trust her own moral reasoning over divine commands. This call powerfully demonstrates how divine command theory—the belief that morality comes solely from God's commands—can lead otherwise caring people to justify literally any atrocity. The hosts conclude by connecting this thinking to authoritarianism and historical religious violence.
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