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I Did NOT Know This About Johnny Carson | Mark Malkoff #470 | The Way I Heard It

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If there were an Olympic event for "Competitive Fan-Girling," Mark Malkoff would be standing on the podium with his gold medal, wearing a 1970s necktie and weeping as the Tonight Show theme filled the stadium. Because nobody loves Johnny Carson like Mark Malkoff. And I mean nobody.

His book is called Love Johnny Carson: One Obsessive Fan's Journey to Find the Genius Behind the Legend. It's the result of an eight-year deep dive that involved 400 extensive interviews with the most memorable Tonight Show guests. The result is a very funny, non-traditional, but very insightful look at the most extraordinary career in show business. In the book, Mark tackles the burning questions that have kept him up at night for decades:

The Grudge Match: Why did Johnny stop talking to Joan Rivers? (Spoiler: It involves more than just a missed birthday card).

The Banned List: Why were icons like William Shatner and Orson Welles effectively ghosted by the King of Late Night?

The Carnac Conspiracy: Setting the record straight on the true—and slightly less mystical—origins of the Great Snarky One.

And many, many more.

Whether you're a diehard fan or just someone who wonders why your parents still swing at imaginary golf balls with an invisible club, Malkoff's journey is a hilarious reminder that some obsessions actually pay off in hardcover. I enjoyed my interview with him as much as I enjoyed reading his book both of which I heartily recommend. His book is here.

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Folds of Honor—this terrific foundation has awarded over $340 million in scholarships to sons, daughters, and spouses of those who paid the ultimate price. The money is real and it’s waiting. Apply for a scholarship now at:

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