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Ben calls in from Colorado as a theist ready to defend the existence of God on any topic — but within seconds, he asks Matt if he's "tried reaching out to God." That goes about as well as you'd expect. Matt unloads his entire deconstruction story, Jovan dismantles Ben's own deconversion as never being real in the first place, and Ben's best evidence for God turns out to be a song he heard on social media while suicidal. When pressed for something — anything — that Jovan and Matt could independently verify, Ben pivots to his RGB keyboard changing colors. Matt hangs up. Nobody learns how to know God is real.
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