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Microbiology master's student Ben calls in from Montana arguing that scientists need to be less overconfident and that science and religion should be "balanced" to better reach people on issues like vaccines. Hosts Erika and Aaron push back hard — noting that science classrooms have historically gone out of their way not to antagonize religion, and that Aaron delivers the sharpest line of the call: religion doesn't produce knowledge, so there's nothing to balance. But Ben reveals he's less interested in defending religion and more genuinely worried about measles outbreaks and whether anti-vax communities can actually be reached. It gets personal when he shares that his mom works with autistic children whose parents skipped vaccines — and that he himself has autism. What starts as a vague "both sides" appeal turns into a surprisingly earnest conversation about science communication and whether hardcore religious anti-vaxxers can be reached at all.
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