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4:14Now PlayingRepublican Congressman Matt Gaetz could be in even more trouble, as reports indicate that he is being targeted in yet another investigation, this time for potential obstruction of justice. The new investigation centers around calls that Gaetz made to a witness in the Joel Greenberg affair, which is based on new information from cooperating witnesses. Farron Cousins explains what's happening.
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Grab the popcorn folks. Cause the Matt Gaetz investigation just got so much worse for the Republican congressmen politicos reporting that Matt Gaetz is now subject to a new investor or at least a new part of the current investigation. Either way. This would be a completely new charge if he is charged and the charge would be instruction of justice, turns out the feds, we're now investigating whether or not Matt gates may have obstructed justice during a phone call with his ex-girlfriend. And one of the witnesses in the Joel Greenberg affair, uh, and by the way, the ex-girlfriend on the call is the same one who is now cooperating with authorities because she was worried she is seeking an immunity deal because she had been fretting to her friends and family that she might be the one charged with obstruction of justice. So let's untangle this web, shall we?
First and foremost, the ex girlfriend, couple weeks ago, story emerged saying that back in, I guess it was January, December ish. She was telling friends and family that she was concerned. She might be charged with obstruction of justice. Now nobody knew what that meant. Why was she worried that she might get charged with obstruction of justice? Well, now that this new information about the investigation has leaked out to the public, it becomes very clear during the phone call that this ex-girlfriend of Matt Gaetz had with the witness who was part of Joel Greenberg's, uh, affair again. And
She patched in Matt Gaetz. So
It was a three-way phone call at one point, the ex-girlfriend Matt
And the other witness. That
Is the, that is now being investigated for Matt Gaetz. And this is important because let's not forget that that ex-girlfriend is the one who is now cooperating, handing over information, giving testimony to authorities in exchange for an immunity deal, that she is hoping to ink by the end of this month.
So if
She was worried about obstructing justice and she has made some kind of deal and she provided information that Matt Gaetz was the one who in fact obstructed justice with her, that could also be used to help take down Matt Gaetz. Now I have spoken to countless
Lawyers over the years, and we've actually talked about the issue
Of obstruction of justice and interviews, conversations, whatever it is talking about news of the day and things like this obstruction of justice, believe it or not, it's actually a fairly minor charge. And a lot of the
Lawyers I speak to former prosecutors talk
About the fact that usually obstruction of justice is used to get something bigger or it's used
When they can't find else
With the ex-girlfriend. It does appear that they were dangling the threat of obstruction of justice against her in order to get her to cooperate. Now, with Matt gates obstruct his obstruction of justice, excuse me, could be used as part of a broader thing to hit him with as many possible charges as possible, or it could be used as a little bargaining chip. If Matt gates has information
On other individuals and they could offer,
Okay, listen, we'll drop the obstruction charge
In exchange for you doing X, Y, or Z,
Or the other possibility is that they haven't been able to come up with any other evidence to charge Matt gates. And they said, well, we can likely get them on obstruction, but nothing else. Um, now of course, those are not the only two possibilities typically, uh, based on conversations I've had again with former prosecutors. That is the way it goes. So we'll see, all we know right now is that Matt gates is getting in more trouble by the day in his political future, not looking so bright anymore.
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